no, i think it strengthens -- listen, let's be honest here -- after george w. bush, there wasn't much of a republican party left. the fiscal conservatives have now been into the republican party -- >> steve? >> i was going to say the public is conflicted over the question you asked rick. all the polling data show americans -- >> polling data, i know who conducts the polls and how they're asked. >> and they -- >> let's ask people if they want to pay taxes, they want to cut spending, they say no. a good leader will convince them. >> it's actually the point i'm going to make, rick. the polling data show americans do not want bigger government, they only want all of the things that bigger government offers. >> they don't want to pay for them. >> and what i think has not been done is the politician going to the public and saying you want this, this is what this costs. we're going to have some data tomorrow on the fiscal cliff from our all america survey. and it's going to very much make this point that the things that, by the way, republicans and democrats both oppo